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18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge

18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge
18" Schleese Obrigado Dressage Saddle with Relief Wedge

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Tree size : Medium (M)
Tree type: Adjustable
Seat depth: Deep
Official / Stamped Seat Size: 18"
Seat Size Feels Like: 18"
Flap length: Normal Length
Flap position: Straighter
Panel type : Wool flocked
Condition : Exceptional
Was: $4,999.00
Now Priced: $4,595.00
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Tree: Fully adjustable modified Schleese AdapTree is currently set at about a medium angle with a wide "mouth" / space in between the top of the panels. Think of a U-shaped tree. Of course the tree opening can be changed in width and shape as well by a Schleese certified fitter and you will likely need to have it fitted to your horse. The tree points are angled back and the front panel is angled back to allow extreme shoulder freedom and scapular rotation for those Equine individuals who need it.

Seat: The 18" seat is deep and very soft while remaining compact on the horse's back. For me it sits true to size in feel. I also noticed just sitting in it on our plastic horse with legs relaxed a big improvement in my tendency to turn my toes out and heels in. Nice! Can I keep him?

Flaps: Flaps are pretty straight in position and quite average in length for this size and model, measuring just over 17 1/4" from the stirrup bar down. The velcro blocks underneath the flap are completely adjustable and interchangeable with other sizes. That is just one of the things I love about these saddles.

Color: Black.

Leather: Super soft and grippy French style leather throughout.

Year of Manufacture: August 2014.

Panels: Soft, humanely shorn, magical unicorn hair-flocked panels (I'm kidding, it's just soft wool) have a very open full palm's width gullet channel throughout, for excellent clearance and freedom on a horse with a thick spine. This channel width can also be easily modified by a saddle fitter. As mentioned previously, the panels are extremely cut away in front to allow awesome freedom and comfort to a large and / or back set scapula. This saddle was built on a small panel footprint of only a little over 18" front to back! This can be of especial benefit to a short coupled horse (one with a limited area to support the saddle ahead of the last rib). It also has the special "relief wedge" in back, simulating a non-gussetted panel and providing additional relief to the loins of a short-backed, big mover. Due to the shape of the tree points and panels, this saddle may 'want' to sit more forward on the horse than others. This relieves the loins even further and helps the rider not to get behind the movement. Did we mention this saddle was built for a horse with a short back, big movement and large, active shoulders? Well, it certainly is. Read below what Schleese has to say on the unique features of this saddle, with the design inspired by the challenges of fitting Iberian horses and other similar types of backs.

Condition: Exceptional. It shows only the expected signs of very light, loving use such as faint marks on the flaps from boots and stirrup leathers. The billets look great. There really isn't anything else to report, just an amazing opportunity to get into Schleese's latest and greatest in absolutely pristine condition, for a bundle of savings.

From Schleese: Schleese is pleased to announce the latest addition to our stable of dressage saddles The Obrigado. Schleese's newest best-seller allows every rider to feel the breathing of the horse, with the horse moving as freely as if he were not under saddle. The Obrigado provides several unique features benefiting horse and rider - several current and former Olympians who are now using the Obrigado on their horses have said that the saddle is so soft and the seat so deep that it makes them feel like they are one with their horses. Built on a modified AdapTreeā„¢, the Obrigado offers the most extreme shoulder freedom for the horse, with the softest seat in the dressage industry. Available in a standard monoflap, many innovative options truly personalize this saddle for both horse and rider.

SEAT - Deep, 11 cm, with flex cap option (cantle shock absorption for the rider's back. *By feel I am guessing this saddle has it but that has not been confirmed with Schleese*), square or round cantle, sloped pommel with recessed tree points (allows the rider to sit close to the base of the withers while allowing maximum freedom of the horse's shoulder rotation), forward balance or cup seat option. *This one looks like the cup seat - with a little more of a flat spot in the center of the seat and center balance.*

TWIST - Adaptable (flexing) extra narrow twist, allows the rider to give quicker and sharper aids to the horse.

BILLET SYSTEM - The adjustable V-Webbing billet system allows for correct billet alignment and equal pull throughout the length of the tree.

THIGH BLOCKS - The adjustable thigh blocks give the rider the flexibility to adjust leg support. A variety of sizes are available. Thigh Blocks Chart

MALE and FEMALE DESIGN AVAILABLE - Seat designed for the Male or Female Pelvic Axis. *This one's for the ladies!*

PANEL - The unique style of the Obrigado panel with extreme shoulder cut back places 70% of the saddle and the rider in front of the 14th rib to limit the pressure on the tendon plate. DELIVERY TIME - 12 weeks.

Cost New: The base price is $6,995 with sales tax in every state. Here you only pay sales tax if purchased within the state of Texas.

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"Very Positive Experience!"

Jan Zoerb on 8/27/2019 6:30:11 PM

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Comments: This saddle was in extremely good condition and if it had been a perfect fit, I would have purchased it. Patricia was extremely easy to work with and very professional! I will continue to use Fine Used Saddles in the future.

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Explanation of Condition Ratings for Saddles

Exceptional Condition:

Saddles in this category will show very little to no use. There will be no color variation, no fading of leather, no scratches, dings or damage anywhere. The billets will typically show some light creasing. The flaps may show faint marks.

Excellent Condition:

Saddles under this rating will have only very light and normal wear. You will see light rubs on the flaps. Occasionally you will see extremely light seat edge rubs. If there are any surface scratches or nicks they will be very small and superficial. The billets will be in good or better condition. Any color variation present will be subtle. There may be some very subtle color fading, but usually not. A saddle in excellent condition has been lightly used and has been very well maintained.

Very Good Condition:

Saddles in this category will typically have light to moderate rubs on the flaps from boots and stirrup leathers, usually with more rubbing toward the bottom of the flaps. There can be minor color variation on the leather from sweat, rain, or general wear, often on the flaps but usually on the seat and panels. These saddles may have some visible but minor seat edge rubs. Light creasing on knee pads is typically seen. A few minor surface scratches or nicks in the leather may be present, but always superficial and never deep. Billets can show moderate wear. A very small spot worn through the leather on one or more of the blocks is permissible for this rating, but only if the blocks exhibiting this are underneath a flap.

Good Condition:

Completely serviceable condition with moderate wear but no repairs needed. No holes or cuts in the leather that go all the way through. These saddles will have significant rubbing on the flaps. Typically there will be creases on the knee pads, sometimes deep creases. Often you will see friction rubs at the seat edges. May have surface cracks in the leather, usually fine and superficial crazing, often found on the seat and panels. You may or may not be able to feel this crazing to the touch. Saddles in this category may show fading of color or significant color variation from sweat, rain, or general wear. Billets will typically show a lot of mileage, but must have some good life left in them. Surface nicks and scratches may be present. There may be a small worn through spot on one of more of the blocks, but is acceptable only when the blocks in question are underneath a flap.

Fair Condition:

Saddles under this rating may need significant repairs. They may have spots worn all the way through the leather (deep cuts) in the seat, flaps, knee pads or elsewhere. These saddles will often have significant cracks and leather may be dry. May have severe discoloration or fading of leather. May also have any other cosmetic issues mentioned below under 'Good Condition.' FUS usually cannot accept saddles that fall under the fair condition rating but we may be able to help you with repairs to bring these saddles to sellable condition.

The 3 Main Panel Types: Pros and Cons

Wool Flocking:

This is the most traditional method of stuffing a saddle's panels. There are many types of flocking that saddle fitters will refer to as wool. They range from a slew of different synthetic fibers to an array of natural sheep's wool. There will always be debate and no concise agreement on which type is better, but the higher end saddles we carry are generally going to be stuffed with the best of whatever type is used. Wool flocking does require maintenance. It can harden and ball up over time and will after several years (and sometimes less) need full replacement of all the wool inside. When used on one horse, wool tends to mold to that horse's build over time, so it CAN be harder to use these saddles on multiple horses than with the other two types, though that is not always the case.

The great benefit is that it can be easily tweaked by a saddle fitter. When buying a used saddle, sometimes they are perfect right out of the box but you should count on the possibility of needing an adjustment in order to achieve that custom fit you want. That is a completely normal scenario. Some wool flocked panels will also have a foam or felt lining as a buffer between the wool and the panel surface which contacts the horse. Examples of these are Hennig, Amerigo and Prestige. This helps ensure a smooth surface on the horse's back. A complete reflock and replacement of wool in a saddle in the USA generally ranges from $200-350 and requires the panel be dropped and resewn, usually at the saddle fitter's shop. Tweaking of existing wool ranges from around $75-300, with a huge range in cost due to varying barn call fees. Simpler adjustments, which generally involve adding wool to certain areas and sometimes removal from other areas is what is typically done on site. Most our our Dressage saddles are wool flocked.

"French Style" Foam / Latex:

Foam versus wool is simply a trade off. Foam is resilient and pretty much zero maintenance as long as the saddle fits your horse. You can get the closest contact possible with your horse. It does not harden or ball up and most types take hard use over many years before they begin to break down. You can use these saddles more easily across more than one equine because the foam does not mold to the animal and stay there. It does mold to the horse but it bounces back to its original form. There is no settling with foam. It is what it is, basically.

The downside is that though adjustments are usually needed less frequently they are a bit more complicated. In some cases in order to change the fit for big changes or for a different horse, the original panel can be shaved down in certain areas. In other cases where the panel needs areas more built up the original panels are completely discarded and new ones are sculpted. The foam saddle needs to fit right out of the box, but another upside is that they are often easier to find a fit across multiple horses.

Almost every French saddle is going to be filled with foam. In the high end saddles we carry, this foam is the best of the best in latex panels. Foam flocking is the French tradition, while generally wool is the English / German tradition. One exception I can think of is Lauriche, an English made saddle which is always originally made with foam panels. The cost to have foam panels adjusted or re-fit ranges anywhere from $250-$900 depending on who does the work. Independent saddlers charge less than the original saddle brand's shop, but independent fitters specializing in foam are harder to find in the USA than in somewhere like France.

Foam flocking is also commonly seen in jumping saddles which are not French in origin. Traditional fitters specializing in wool are typically not big fans of foam because there is not a whole lot they can do with it other than shimming with felt.

Air Bladder:

There are two main types (really brands) of air flocking systems. One is "Cair," which we find in the Bates and Wintec saddles. It is pretty firm in our opinion and is not known to be adjustable. "Flair" is the other type, which is what we see here at Fine Used Saddles. Air is yet another trade off. Each type of flocking has its own advantages and pitfalls. Flair panels are highly adjustable and absolutely excellent for pressure distribution on the horse's back. The panels can be made very soft or more firm depending on your needs. The Flair system consists of four total air bladders, two in each side of the saddle.. The air will move and flex with every movement of the horse. They do provide a completely different feel for horse and rider. We've found that riders will either love or hate them.

There is a springy feel to the ride, which does vary depending on how the saddle is adjusted but will always be there. Some feel a trampoline-like affect. It can take some getting used to, and that's one of the biggest reasons we think we don't see it everywhere despite it being excellent for the horse's backs. Some horses will need time to adjust to the different sensations but in my experience most love it and can become completely spoiled to Flair. In some climates the expanding and shrinking air inside the panels can result in seasonal changes in how the saddles fit. Slow leaks can develop and put people off of Flair, but we've found this to be a pretty rare issue. Finding saddle fitters to adjust Flair panels is a little more difficult than wool, but easier than for foam. The Flair kit consists of a few tubes and an air pump - pretty simple - and in our opinion can be learned easily by brave amateurs.


Tree Size

An Explanation of our Sizing Descriptions

Every manufacturer has a different system for tree size. It is not just the actual width and spacing of the tree points that make up a saddle's tree width. It is also the shape and the angle of the tree opening, along with panel thickness and shape. Though we will always mention the "official" or stamped size regarded by the manufacturer if applicable, we sort saddles online according to a more generic system for the sake of consistency. Our goal is to ease confusion as well as we can. If your horse fits a medium-wide according to the stamped size in one brand it is unlikely that a medium-wide will work in all brands stamped that size. We rely on the Bates gullet gauge along with expert visual assessment to asign saddles a tree size and fit for description online. Many riders are familiar with this gullet system so it's become the closest thing to a gold standard we can find. Since shape also influences the overall size, this system still isn't perfect but all across the board it probably never will be. This is the closest we can get!

Inconsistent tree sizing and fit across all saddles is a huge reason we advocate second hand saddles. When you buy second hand you are trying the EXACT saddle you are looking to make your own. There are even variations in tree fit frequently seen between two saddles from the same maker despite showing the same stamped size. Even with a saddle being custom made for you and your horse you don't know what you're getting until you've got it. The picture in your mind may not match what is delivered and we see that happen all the time. Saddle fitting is both an art and a science. It can so often just come down to trial and error, but we do everything we can to help you navigate the grey areas.

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Stamp Info

Most saddles have some info / codes stamped into the leather, usually underneath a flap. This stamped info can often tell us many facts about your saddle, often indicating its exact age. Knowing this info can be very helpful to us in estimating a likely selling price range before actually seeing your saddle in person, so please include it if it's not too big an inconvenience for you.

Saddle Consignment Terms and Conditions

Our consignment fee for saddles is a flat 25%. The consignment fee for accessories (girths, leathers, irons, saddle pads etc. when accepted) is 40%. We will usually only accept fittings from customers also sending in a saddle unless multiple high end non-saddle items are being sent. We can only accept brand name fittings of a quality similar to that of our saddles, and in good or better condition.

Every saddle is inspected by Fine Used Saddles for tree soundness and other problems that might make a saddle unsafe, unfit or in condition not acceptable for resale. If we find a repairable problem with your saddle we will consult with you having it fixed.. Otherwise, it is possible the saddle will need to be returned to you at your expense. Side note: We've only had to do this two or three times over several years. Each saddle sold on consignment must have good, safe billets. Consignment saddles must be reasonably clean and in good condition or better. Condition ratings are at the discretion of Fine Used Saddles. The leather must have no rips or tears. We reserve the right to reject any consignment application. We reserve the right to also reject saddles once received if we deem them to have been misrepresented on the consignment application.

Every saddle we offer comes with a 5 day test purchase period in which customers are allowed to try on and ride in the saddle. The shipment time is not included in this trial time frame and we may give clients a few extra days if needed, at our careful discretion. A full credit card authorization is collected and customers are responsible for any damage done to the saddle over the course of the trial. Within 15 business days of the confirmed sale of your saddle we will send you a check by mail to the address you provide for the sales price minus commission. Before mailing, we will contact you to verify your address and let you know your check is on the way.

Your saddle is insured every time it is shipped for trial.

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